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Yes. (A fairly general reply<g>) Let us consider for a moment MS Windows as one collection of tools and ways. And the ECDL as a collection of things to be done. Presently, MS Windows has a set of instructions - manuals, teaching materials - for teaching a class how to do the collection in the ECDL. Consider KDE and Gnome as two more collections of tools and ways, and the Mac as a third. I'm not aware of the Mac having an ECDL teaching collection, I may be wrong... but I am not wrong in thinking that KDE and Gnome each have a set of ways in which an individual may learn to do the ECDL collection of tasks, but nothing easily available for teaching a class. SO the task we should adopt for ourselves, and acknowledge to start with that it is about 5 times larger than it looks, is to increase the number of GUIs for which there is a teaching set by one. After succesfully incrementing it, being senisble this way, we will have arranged things so that incrementing it by another one is relatively easy. There is a book in this, and I'd suggest the licence adopted be one that allows a printed copy to be sold, as well as the material to be distributed. -- From the Linux desktops of Dr Adrian Midgley http://www.defoam.net/ -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe.