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Tom said Perhaps the first point in any >linux tuition should be "If you come here to be spoon fed think again !" but >then it is depressing how many people still want to be taught by route. > >So I think you need teach / discover the foundations with a spin on self >help and where to go if you get stuck. > >Having said that perhaps teachers with a linux mindset are the only teachers >who would start by giving each student a manual on how to build a desk and >pointing to a pile of scrap wood and metal on the floor nearby :-). taught by route ?....surely that is rote ?....a mistake like that could cost you hours of headscatching if it had been typed into a linux/dos/basic/"C"....command line ? Your point about Linux mindset and building a desk is well put. Example.......... (I'm Joe Public as I've said before).....I have BT Broadband and one of those strange Alcatel green "skate" modems. The way to get this configured in Linux seems to have defeated a great many people............ no Internet no online help.......so back into Windows look for solution.......back into Linux.....solution don't work.......back into Windows.....new solution......Linux crashes......time bomb icon.....a few alterations ..screen freezes.....decide to reload Redhat......get solution off internet....images ?.....tar ?.......rth (?).....Christ I'm only at stage 1 what are these ?......where do they go ? etc etc etc. Anyway what is wrong with being spoon fed ?.......We are all spoon fed, who can build a house from scratch....grow food......rear animals.....make textiles......smelt iron....... Enoughs enough.....all I wanted to do was go to Exeter College and have a knowledgeable person explain the basics to get me started... the rocket science I can try later. Richard Fuller -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe.