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> The prognosis for our company growing very large is good once we have > suitable security as this has been the only thing that has curtailed our > position over the last 14 months. Ahh security. Remind customers next time they pay for a pizza by credit card, even a reputable company, they are giving at least 3 people their Credit card number & expiry date Address Name Phone Number And they are giving the driver their signature. How to commit credit card fraud: Easy way: Become a Dominos Safe Delivery Specialist, wait for a delivery thats been paid for by credit card, copy ccnumber, phone number and address down while you are in the car en-route. Order something you want from *company*, wait for them to go out, when the delievery person comes up, use social engineering, say "Oh is Mary out again! I'll sign (fake sig/name obviously) for it if you want, she's really looking forward to this *whatever*, then walk around the back of the next door house, as if you are going in. How to commit credit card fraud: Riskier way: Get a job as a waiter. Wait for someone to pay by debit card, scan the card in your pocket using a £20 mag-stripe reader, copy details. How to commit credit card fraud: Hard way: Get a job at an internet data center that uses hubs, not switches Install a network sniffer Wait for an unencrypted credit card number to go through Capture it, but not the other 10GB/hour going through Hope you get the expiry date too When people worry about internet security it's hillarious. The weakest link is the banks, and people. Its so easy to get someones details the old fashioned way, using social engineering, theres no need to break in to large data centers -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe.