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Seems I cured my Super Methane Brothers habit with a Debian CD, which happily obliterated my Mandrake partition (with a minimal encouragement). Hmm so far so painful ;-) It made a decent stab at setting up XF86, but then put a stupidly low vertical refresh rate in the XF86Config, so I got a screen about large enough for the KDM login panel. Okay that was fixed easily if you know XF86. It also defaulted to using acceleration, which give me weird errors on the ATI Rage Mobility - guess I should contribute to XF86 sometime to fix this. On starting KDM I get an error about /dev/dsp and no sound, not even a bell (although I can choose to use the system bell okay). All other recent distro's just found the audio settings on my laptop - so how do I kick it to make it try again on finding and setting up sound? Is it true the default Debian kernel 2.2 (?!) ships without 'NET_CONFIG_RADIO' enabled? I can't persuade wvlan_cs to work correctly, it claims to create netdevice eth0, and I can't rmmod wvlan_cs till I 'ifconfig eth0 down', but 'iwconfig' doesn't recognise it as a wireless card, so I figure it must be the kernel settings. I installed 2.4.18 Kernel sourcs from CD, is it best to just build a kernel from these? Or can I stay within the package manager, and well trodden paths - Kai was saying us users shouldn't be building bespoke kernels these days - what is the alternative? KDE depends on RPM ?!?!?! What no Super Methane Brothers? Well so far I'm quite impressed - despite the gripes, a nice selection of software (although KOffice still has a long way to go), Mozilla seems amazingly fast (but since I don't have a network connection till the wireless is sorted.....). Choice of "arcade" games, and having Debian everywhere in the menu's is a tad disappointing, but then I only did the one CD install. dselect screen layout sucks - should I try aptitude or a.n.other? Simon -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe.