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The CodeWeaver Wine CrossOver Office code is now getting to a very usable level. http://www.codeweavers.com In 2003 they are hoping on supporting: Office XP Access Adobe Photoshop Windows Media Player 9 "Sandbox" mode - run many versions of IE on one box Dreamweaver Director MX Autocad Corel WordPerfect Office Corel Draw Quickbooks TurboTax ...and many more So then combine the power of X and remote login ( xdm/kdm ) and LTSP Diskless Thin Clients for a completely centralised system. You could run a design / GP office without the noise and without the support hassles. Get some super stable Server Hardware with Loads of power ( Dual Xeons or Dual AthlonMP's ) and eliminate the office politics of who gets a new faster PC next! A upgrade for the server benefits all. Fantastic. If there is occasional need for native Windows ( i.e. when CrossOver Office can't run it ) You keep one Win2000 Workstation running with VNCServer Running. My interest this this stuff has been brought on by over 10 years of sitting next to machines that constantly whistle at me :) I'm also sys admin for a web design studio where I'm trying to embrace future technologies for workstations. Employees have got away with too much. Work PC's are for work( Why should an employee be able to run that Click_ME.exe email attachment! It's asking for trouble ) I'd say that in this day and age, thin clients are too, well to thin. Diskless workstations under X have the advantage that all GUI related activity is handled by the client and all system/thinking is handled by the server, but drives can be mounted onto the diskless workstation via NFS. Backups become a dream. Say goodbye to Virus attacks or the worry of Trojans. Diskless workstations still have the power to think for themselves. They can be setup however is required. VNCviewer -> Linux VNC desktop. For people that don't require the speed of XDM remote login. and who would appreciate the persistence of leaving the desktop open even when they turn off their client. XDM -> Linux Remote X Desktop. For the lowest latencies and the best functionality. Sorry for rambling Laters, Bill. Sysop lug@xxxxxxxxxxxx -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe.