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IDEs? For me they are hooks or maps in vim. The closer to the code, the better quality and understanding you will have of the end product. Well, that is what I think atm, but I might change my mind as per usual. -Kai -- http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/hendry -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe.