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I have to say, even though I *know* I'm going to get shot down in flames ( :) ) that for group collaboration for business I am really impressed with Lotus Sametime. OK, it's not open source. OK, there's not even currently a Solaris version (only choice is NT for now). But for IM, Video Conferencing, Voice Conferencing, Whiteboarding, Application sharing and embedding online awareness into other products, I am very very impressed with the latest version of Sametime. In my opinion it kicks the arse out of MS Messenger, Y! etc., and in my opinion ICQ and AOL are too 'consumery'. Alex. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe.