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I must be completely stupid and missing something obvious. I set up my new debian install as host "debian" and domain "local". I set up no default route, cos I've not got one until I dial up. I set up an 10.0.0.x network for local machines. Now I want to use my demon account for dialup. So, I set up wvdial in the normal way and I can't route once I'm up. netstat -nr shows a router, presumably one that demon told me about during negotiation. Anyway, I tinker, like a numpty, and now pppd dies as soon as it gets in. I'm going from CDs, so I'm only on pppd 3.summat and a 2.2 kernel. This shouldn't be this hard. Any ideas? Steve -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe.