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There are versions that use a PSTN modem for the return channel, and some offer a satellite-based return channel.I think the GILAT equipment is one of these, but they'd be expensive, and yes, you would need a licence for that. £80 for the dish & card isn't bad: the dish is probably 1/2 of that. Value for money? depends on the rental costs. Simon -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe.