Re: [LUG] Simian evolution on redhat 7.0?

[kevin bailey <kev.bailey@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

i want to add...

and i feel you are right - it is important to teach computing skills and 
not microsoft products.  computing skills based on logic, planning, 
design, documentation etc. can be applied to different tools.

kev






Aaron Trevena wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Simon Waters wrote:
>
>
> > MATTHEW BROWNING wrote:
> >
> > > I have spoken to some `key personnel' around here about these
> > > policies and the general answer seems to be that it is the
> > > responsibility of a University to provide experience of a real world
> > > computing environment to its students. 
> > Funny I thought it was the responsibility of Universities to
> > educate, and foster discussion, and development of new ideas,
> > but then I was at Uni a long time ago ;)
> >
> > Their is little point in my opinion in trying to educate people
> > about current technology at University. 
>
> Indeed.
>
> The point of university is that you study a field and are then equipped to 
> work in that field for a large portion of your working life. Very little 
> in what you do day to day changes despite all the hype - you still have to 
> solve the same problems regardless of the technology you use.
>
> Skills specific to particular products shouldn't be part of a degree - You 
> wouldn't expect a chief to spend time concentrating on the ins and outs of 
> Birds Custard products - you'd expect him to be able to pick up and food 
> and if necessary read the label. The same goes for computing - you should 
> be able to pick up a book or a manual and the use a product - the fact you 
> rarely can is the fault of vendors not graduates or universities.
>
> I'd be fairly pissed off if I had a surgeon who could only use 'Acme' 
> surgery products, and quite rightly.
>
> What angered me about Plymouth university is that despite frequent 
> requests they had no interest in teaching us Cisco, very little interest 
> in teaching us any UNIX beyond the syllabus but were quite happy to have a 
> Microsoft Course which was advertised in lectures. Funnily enough not a 
> soul was interested - those who gave a toss about the certification got it 
> free on their placement, the rest of us wanted cisco or novell or linux 
> certification - but Plymouth is a Microsoft only shop for certification 
> and training.
>
> I even contacted the training department, they weren't interested in 
> working with anybody but MS, no they wouldn't want to work with teh LUG, 
> or the computing society, or student reps - MS or nothing.
>
> rgds,
>
> A.




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