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Thanks for the help, I tried the following as suggested. chmod 7755 /usr/sbin/pppd - I then went to kuser. - listed as usermanager. this is where I am not sure what is going on. I can find my user name in the list on the left, If I select this and then go to group - edit then select groups. I get a list of groups on the left, and primary group - with paul as part of a select list, on the right - its there I don't need to select it, If I click on users and add this to the box on the right, click ok, then save and exit. I then logged off and tried to dial up again, it still crashes, so I log back in as root, and goto kuser again, following the steps above, the box is blank where I added users eariler, I also changed kppp to 7755 as I figured that as I was using kppp to dial up this needs the same permissions etc. so it's now the same by default its -rwxr-xr-x which I make out to be 755, now it's -rwsr-sr-t for both kppp and pppd it still does not work. I have either not done something right, or something more deep down is wrong, what log files should I check to see what is happening. also is there a way to add me to the users group from the command line, as this would rule out probs with kuser. Thanks for the help paul > > On my box i have to set pppd to SUID (chmod 7755 /sbin/pppd) for this to > > > alt-F2 and xkill to get me out of this, (much better than the windows > > > method). > > Why ? i wonder what windows does ?? oh yeah, what happens when you throw > hard things at windows people ?? > Paul: are you a member of the "users" group in linux, if you are not, things > will go pear shaped very quickly, i know redhat is a bugger for not doing > this properly. You will need to log in as root to gain access to the user > control panel thing (i forget where it is now DURRRRHHH !!!) ensure that you > (as a user of paul) are a member of the users group. log out and back in as > you, and that may help things !!!! > > Let me know how it went !!! > > Neil -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe.